Jamming

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I’ll write an intro … so that you don’t have to read the excerpt from Tolstoy –

Basically … nothing has changed from 19th. century Russia.

The prevailing meme is that people can choose their future, by making good choices.

The thing that is still being missed (misunderstood) is that poor people have no choice but to make bad choices.

This is still too complicated for rich people to understand.

Had some one chanced to take pity on him and given some help at the time when poverty made them send him to town, it might have been sufficient,” Nekhludoff thought, looking at the boy’s piteous face. “Or even later, when, after 12 hours’ work at the factory, he was going to the public-house, led away by his companions, had some one then come and said, ‘Don’t go, Vania; it is not right,’ he would not have gone, nor got into bad ways, and would not have done any wrong.
“But no; no one who would have taken pity on him came across this apprentice in the years he lived like a poor little animal in the town, and with his hair cut close so as not to breed vermin, and ran errands for the workmen. No, all he heard and saw, from the older workmen and his companions, since he came to live in town, was that he who cheats, drinks, swears, who gives another a thrashing, who goes on the loose, is a fine fellow. Ill, his constitution undermined by unhealthy labour, drink, and debauchery—bewildered as in a dream, knocking aimlessly about town, he gets into some sort of a shed, and takes from there some old mats, which nobody needs—and here we, all of us educated people, rich or comfortably off, meet together, dressed in good clothes and fine uniforms, in a splendid apartment, to mock this unfortunate brother of ours whom we ourselves have ruined.
“Terrible! It is difficult to say whether the cruelty or the absurdity is greater, but the one and the other seem to reach their climax.”
Nekhludoff thought all this, no longer listening to what was going on, and he was horror-struck by that which was being revealed to him. He could not understand why he had not been able to see all this before, and why others were unable to see it.

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Is is causation, or correlation … It really doesn’t matter~!

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Bloomberg
Trudeau Lays Out His Plan to Legalize Recreational Marijuana

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  • Axionication3

    Started to listen to resurrection on audio book.

    First thing running through my mind (5 minutes in) was how much of a God send contraceptives are.
    —–
    Ones heart bleeds for Katusha (I have not got near to Vania yet). And yes i can understand that there would be nothing more for Katusha than to busy herself with pretty lace. Horribly horribly stuck.

    I think that it can be reasonably argued that Tolstoy does influence circumstance. That the reading of Tolstoy (circumstance) bashes and bumps other circumstance (people) around. That the outcome in Tolstoys case is one of creating less suffering (through making readers think deeper about themselves/actions). It is Very religious in nature.
    (I realise that some of what I wrote above may be looked at as me ‘having my cake and eating it’. It’s difficult territory.)
    —–
    Tolstoys writing is exquisite. The pure descriptiveness of it.
    I sort of forgot…

    • Axionication3
      • pleasant enough way to pass a few minutes (while looking at the internets).

        • Axionication 3

          No deep reason for posting the faithful videos. The way the voice and container has changed (the waters under the bridge) probably intrigued me. And I really like the songs.

          • Axionication 3

            Thinking about it I probably had (deep in my sub conscious) thinks about how we change over time ref: Tolstoy, Conrad (Chekhov was out-a-here early enough)).

            (((But of course, the ref is for us all)))

    • I think he rather abuses his privilege by (so far seemingly) writing a book of `social comment` and passing-it-off as a novel (but eh … he has earned the privilege).

      I think you highlight what `the Russians` often highlight in their writings … that is `the trappedness` of the characters.

      In this one Leo is being a bit more obvious, by stating `out there` why people are trapped.

      • Axionication 3

        As you say, he has earned the right (in spades) to abuse his privilege. He would be your ‘feudal overlord’ type.

        Have you read ‘peasants’?

        • No … I don’t recall that one.

          • Axionication 3

            I would like to recommend Chekhov’s ‘peasants’ to you. It represents a ‘battle line’ of sorts between your Tolstoy reading and Checkov (fuck…I do love mixing my metaphors!).

  • axel1million

    I agree, Tolstoy is in my category of a ‘high class’ writer.
    Some of the others mentioned, not so much.

    • Ploidy

      What do you mean by “my category of a high class writer”-?

      • axel1million

        I’m not exactly sure now I think it over.
        I would change the ‘high class’ to ‘high value’. I think that better explains my thinking.

        Are you new, or just someone in disguise?

        • Ploidy

          No not new, been a long time lurker.

          I feel I know you as I have been reading your posts for years.
          Sorry for not introducing myself I am quite shy.

          • axel1million

            Well, I would consider your comments will welcome here on OTP.
            Please, no trolling – don’t waste our time here with that sort of thing.

            Here’s the cure for shyness:-
            Your going to die!
            Do you see what I mean?

            • Haploid

              hahaha Axel, well if your talking about the smell of death ending shyness then I am sure there are many acts to atleast try once before death does its little thing to us.

              • axel1million

                Yes indeed, exactly that.
                Except that some acts one never wants to try – well maybe, depending on your disposition!

                • Haploid

                  well if your so extremely worried about your disposition you could take a chapter out of olde japs. book; keep a shooter ready or bottle of cyanide for when it gets too much to handle. What have you got to lose, we’re all gonna end up as worm food as it is and nothing more

                  • axel1million

                    Na, not worried about much.
                    When I was younger I was worried about everything. I quickly realised when I knew I should – that worrying was just a waste of energy.
                    The old Japs were worried about honour. People now don’t even know what it means.

                    Anyway, I wasn’t talking about self termination – I was more referring to the unusual acts you get up to when no ones looking :-0

            • Ploidy

              I do I do see what you mean. It is not as easy for me.
              Thank you for our advises.

              Do you really look like your avatar?

            • Ploidy is a very close neighbour of Amoeba according to IP address.

              • axel1million

                I see.
                Someone is ‘pulling my leg’.
                They got one past me this time!
                Thanks for the info.

                • amoeba

                  It is certainly not I, if that is what is meant.

                  • axel1million

                    That’s what I thought was meant?
                    Is there some sort of inside joke going on – what gives?

                    • Ploidy new.
                      Oddness happens.
                      Coincidence that Ploidy and Amoeba are in the same IP area.
                      Ploidy probably genuine.

                    • axel1million

                      I was in the middle of giving amoeba a bit of a shitter of a comment . Saying he got pissed(or something like that) and decided to have a bit of ‘fun’, and now he’s not coming clean etc etc.
                      But I shall refrain – in case the poor fellow is innocent(although I’m not convinced he is).

                    • amoeba

                      I am an innocent man in matters Ploidy. Tiz not I.

                      Even after a beer or two, I would never write, “Thank you for our advises.”

                    • axel1million

                      Well, I’m sorry. I’m was rather confused by the whole thing.
                      Your are correct, you would not write that.

                  • Good to know.

                • Ploidy

                  No no I am not Amoeba. I am not like that guy.
                  English is not my first language. I apologies for errors I may make.
                  I have been away and just back to see messages.I have been thinking about your going to die message. its true but it does not help me. How does it work to stop shyness?

                  • Axionication 3

                    Maybe you should try for a cure to being a ‘wank spanner’ before working on shyness.

                    • Ploidy

                      Why you say this to me? I google it, I know what it means.
                      I have said nothing to you. You are the bully, this is not mystery for me.

                    • Axionication 3

                      If you prove with time to be real and genuine I will provide you with an apology for being a presumptuous bully.
                      (My take on you at this point is that you are an internet troll.)

                    • Ploidy

                      No no I am not the god damn troll.Why you all say this?
                      In my life I have the bully on my back for long time. If I get the bully here I will not be happy.
                      I send love to you.

                  • If you do everything `wrong` in life … you are going to die.

                    If you do everything `right` in life … you are going to die.

                    • Ploidy

                      Thank you mr mystic.
                      It is no difference what we do?

                    • axel1million

                      Is this Ploidy guy/person for real?
                      Something doesn’t seem right to me. What do you think?

                    • Axionication 3

                      Yup. Troll.

                    • Axionication 3

                      (Not a particularly good one either)

                    • axel1million

                      I thought so.
                      …but I wasn’t sure. It was like I thought definitely a troll, then it was so bad it didn’t make sense. Know what I mean?

                    • Axionication 3

                      I know exactly what you mean!

                      (There is a worry in my mind with this one…shh…don’t tell anyone)

                  • axel1million

                    Ok your not Amoeba.His grammar is a lot different from yours.
                    Right, if you are going to be posting, there are a few rules to follow.

                    (1) This is the Mystics blog, so he makes the rules.
                    (2) When commenting stay with the subject matter relevant to the post.
                    (3) Try and put your responses in your own words – don’t copy heaps and heaps of drivel from other websites.
                    (4) Don’t start ‘bad mouthing’ other posters on here and don’t let anyone ‘bad mouth’ you.

                    The shyness question.
                    I assume shyness is a problem for you, so therefore it stops you doing something you want to do?
                    Your shyness is an illusion its just programming you have adopted while growing up. So thinking of your shyness in terms of your ultimate demise(death) should put some perspective on it.

                    • Ploidy

                      Thank you thank you axl.
                      I will follow rules.

                      Shyness is a small thing in face of death. I understand this. I think this over and again and still shyness is next to me.

                    • axel1million

                      Well, I’m not an expert in this field. I would suggest you undertake some ‘assertiveness’ training, or something similar.
                      …or just go out and speak to people, your not going to die doing that.
                      Do you ‘get it’?

                      I know you think your shy – but its not really ‘you’ its just something running in your brain.
                      What you have to do is run the program ‘I am not shy’. Have you got it? Do you understand?

                    • Ploidy

                      Thank you axl. You try to help, I send love to you.
                      I know you are compassion you have the christ as avatar.

                      I get it to go speak to people. I say to me not shy over and again.
                      Thank you.

                    • axel1million

                      I have decided. You are a troll.
                      I also have the distinct feeling you have been around these parts since a long time.

                      I don’t understand why, its completely pointless and a waste of time.
                      Get yourself sorted out!

                      I hope the Mystic blocks you!

                    • Ploidy

                      Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
                      Axel I am not a troll.
                      Do not block me. Pleeeeeeease anything not that.

                      I was a stranger not from this blog. I will not comment again.
                      Goodby.

                    • axel1million

                      I though so.
                      Same IP address doesn’t tell a lie!
                      That other clown Haploid was at the same thing a few months back.

                      I have quite a rage on at the moment – I’m going to stop before I go ballistic in the comments.

                    • The Ploidy IP address keeps changing.

                    • axel1million

                      Someone is playing silly buggers and trying to cause trouble.
                      I’m still raging they could be so fucking childish.

                    • Haploid

                      its pretty obvious someone is setting me up again , can you see the similarity in our usernames: Haploid and ‘ploidy’. I obviously irked some cunt of on these boards and now he is ‘acting up’. No need to rage at me but there is someone on here who is not a very good troll

                    • axel1million

                      Yes, I see what your saying. I didn’t know what a ploidy was.
                      Certainly looks like a setup.

                    • Haploid

                      whoever it is has shown that its an obvious attempt to make people believe its me by using a very suggestive username akin to my own. He obviously is an insider so knows that people on here already believe I am a troll and didn’t think to use a non-suggestive username, what an idiot eh.
                      On the other hand it might be someone who has a grip at someone else and used me as a scapegoat. Some people appear perfectly normal but its when you press their buttons that everything unravels. There is some powerful thoughts that have been expressed here and some people take mighty offence when they see it. I’ve met very few people like this but the ones I met were pretty cold in nature. They could smile at you and then slit your throat. Suddenly they do things they never thought they would do not because they are good or bad but because they just deem themselves too smart to do so but then somehow they lose the plot and even they can not suddenly believe the situation they have put themselves in. We’re all walking detonators.
                      My guess is the troll might have a grip with me you or any of us.

                    • Haploid

                      er gripe

                    • axel1million

                      It could be any of the scenarios you say. I really don’t know.

                      We have fun here sometimes with banter back and forth which is fine. Trying to make someone look like a fool by trolling in the comments is a different matter. Its childish immature and pointless.
                      I felt they were mocking me for my empathy – that enraged me(I’ve calmed down now).

                    • Haploid

                      I don’t understand why you’re ‘baggin’ on me, I aint no ploidy. Someone was obviously impersonating me if you think I was acting like a clown. I pretty much say what I want here whether that’s telling the Mystic he should go out and ‘do everything under the sun’ to prove his point about being wrong/right doesn’t matter in the face of death. To telling your paranoid self that you should also do everything under the sun too since death is an obvious finality for you. Whatever have you got to lose.

                      This is seriously not the place to act trolling because for all this place is worth or degraded to we still do get some decent comments and honest discussions going. I don’t know why you would say im ploidy I am not one for stifling decent commentary. There are other places on the web that are better suited for trolling and damn right deserve it, even. But this place OTP is not on that list, it’s one of the more serious places even we can get a little bit ‘un-serious’ at times.

                    • axel1million

                      Look, you were trolling some months ago.That’s what I understood.
                      So what I’m I to think when its happening again?

                    • Haploid

                      You probably misconstrued my previous piss-taking attempts at trolling in the past but I generally steer well clear from trolling, especially on OTP. This ploidy is not I but good luck on finding out who he is I hope you do, I wouldn’t mind knowing who the shit is.

                    • Axionication 3

                      There have been a few trolls on this site over the years. Unfortunately every one of them from within the ‘ranks’. It really is quite sad (sad in that these folk had the mental acuity and the ‘spiritual’ persuasion to want to interact with this ‘stuff’, but then have somehow, in time, gone around the twist).

                      (((Really really odd.)))

                    • axel1million

                      Yeah I agree. I’m angry with myself at being ‘taken in’ by the troll.
                      Some ‘nut jobs going around that’s for sure!

  • CSArichardo

    “It’s impossible to present history in a way that won’t offend someone” ….. ah history is political and the winners write history ! ??

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/presenting-history-1.4070061

  • amoeba

    Unfair or not?

    In the West the Central Bankers are bailing out the finance system with low interest rates, monetising government deficits and causing a huge bubble in the stock markets and housing.

    In China the government is giving industry low interest rate loans, providing cheap land to build factories, and thrusting towards their “Made in China 2025”.

    “The plan’s mechanism is simple: It would provide large, low-interest loans from state-owned investment funds and development banks; assistance in buying foreign competitors; and extensive research subsidies, all with the goal of making China largely self-sufficient in the targeted industries.”

    The West is having a bit of a whinge about this, for example

    “President Trump had campaigned about confronting China on trade and currency issues. He has not yet done so, but his advisers have been considering a revision to corporate taxes that would effectively impose a 20 percent tariff on all imports, not just from China.”

    Well, how about all that EUR 70,000,000,000 cash that Draghi spends every month on buying up existing assets and giving banks a huge headache about where to park it, as Draghi now charges them if it sits on his balance sheet?

    Why can’t they have some 10 year initiative Euroland-2025?

    Spend the money on infrastructure, for example high speed raillinks across Europe, from Portugal to Greece and up to the Scandies? Just feckin do it.

    Invest in R&D? Just do it.

    Unfortunately all those Bureaucrat jobsworthies in Brussels just haven’t got an ounce of “do it”. They are all relying on Draghi and Santa Claus.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/business/china-trade-manufacturing-europe.html

    The solar panel opportunity has gone away to China already.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/08/business/china-trade-solar-panels.html

    “Under a plan called Made in China 2025, China hopes to become largely self-sufficient within seven years in a long list of industries, including aircraft, high-speed trains, computer chips and robots. The plan echoes the solar-panel and wind-turbine buildup a decade ago, but with a larger checkbook. ”

    So how much do they want to invest to get it all rolling?

    “Made in China 2025 calls for roughly $300 billion in financial backing: inexpensive loans from state-owned banks, investment funds to acquire foreign technologies, and extensive research subsidies.”

    Maybe I am missing something huge. Or the quoted figure is simply wrong.

    But that 300 Billion is only FOUR MONTHS of Draghi buying up bits of frigging paper.

    What an utter waste of an opportunity.