Human Nature #4 – Every Era Has a Currency That Buys Souls

 

It was a question from the audience which asked Chris Hedges whether he had ever heard of Eric Hoffer….so I had to look him up.  Interesting what I found.

The following is a short sample of the many aphorisms that can be found in Hoffer’s books. Because he believed in the virtue of brevity in the art of writing, nearly every sentence he wrote can stand alone as an individual idea, complete in itself.

“Every era has a currency that buys souls. In some the currency is pride, in others it is hope, in still others it is a holy cause. There are of course times when hard cash will buy souls, and the remarkable thing is that such times are marked by civility, tolerance, and the smooth working of everyday life.”

“It is not at all simple to understand the simple.”

“We all have private ails. The troublemakers are they who need public cures for their private ails.”

“Our quarrel with the world is an echo of the endless quarrel proceeding within us.”

“Spiritual stagnation ensues when man’s environment becomes unpredictable or when his inner life is made wholly predictable.”

“Whoever originated the cliche that money is the root of all evil knew hardly anything about the nature of evil and very little about human beings.”

“The monstrous evils of the twentieth century have shown us that the greediest money grubbers are gentle doves compared with money-hating wolves like Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler, who in less than three decades killed or maimed nearly a hundred million men, women, and children and brought untold suffering to a large portion of mankind.”

http://www.erichoffer.net/quotes.html

and here is the CBS interview from 1967.  Start with Part 1

An interesting character !  In fact have his ideas not reflected alot of what we have discussed on OTP !?

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  • TheModernMystic

    COMMENTS???????

  • Lyle

    Got through the first 3. Will follow up with more later - for sure. His name has darted around me since the 60′s but somehow I missed reading anything by him. Kind of amazing actually – considering my many other sojourns. :)

    I’ve always admired depth found in simplicity.

    Thanks for this!

    • TheModernMystic

      He is a simple man

      • axionication1

        How about writing something cool? Keep us guessing.

        You are no more than static at present. You probably do have useful things to say.

      • Lyle

        you is Mystic

        To is or not to is
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsrOXAY1arg&feature=related
        ” Life is real only then, when “I am”. ”

  • TheModernMystic

    Comments people???????

  • axionication1

    Thanks, will delve into this (have watched part 1).

    “There is a Hitler, a Stalin a ( fill in the depot) in all of us”. Never heard of a crime that I could not commit myself ( goeth?). Brilliant analysis.

    My father used to say ” you can trust a man, it is his circumstances you can’t trust”. Never bothered to ask him where (& why) he got that from ( never understood it either, thought it silly). The older one becomes, the more one understands.

    • Lyle

      I like the quote. Took me a bit to consider and come up with a potential frame of reference. Drawing from my real 63 year life, I’m reasonably sure I appear to others as pretty cool, calm, and collected, as is oft said. And living a dream life as a relatively successful business man. Looks so smooooth.

      They don’t and can’t see all the chaos, confusion, relationship fights, great losses, tens of thousands of hours of work, hell fire and brimstone – that brought the current ‘appearance’ of a man.

      I worked with a fellow during my AT&T days that managed to find himself living among the capitol citiy’s top business people. Million dollar homes, Beamers, Mercedes – you get the picture. He talked of how he discovered most of them were actually in hock up to their eyeballs and found it difficult to keep 20 bucks of real money in their pockets. They had disasterous relationships with their spouses – etc. etc. Looked and sounded great on the outside – total chaos underlying their real circumstances.

      • axionication1

        Nick once said something like ” do not make the mistake of thinking that other people have their shit together, none of us do”. This stuck solid and is one of, if not the most, important thing I have learnt from the man.
        The Tetra Pak couple is evidence of this internal chaos at play in an otherwise ‘idyllic’ projection.

        Too often when going through comments on OTP I pick up an underlying vibe of..well almost jealousy towards the “them/they”. This may just be some form of psychological twist on my part though. Just what I feel… Guess I will get into trouble for saying something like that in the pub…

        • Lyle

          Now I know about the Tetra Pak couple. :)  Yup – see this kind of stuff all the time. Average folks can only wonder WTF is wrong with these people who have all the things and more that would make me happy – and then they screw it up completely.

          I tend to encapsulate these kinds of things into simply “enough is never enough”.
          So few seem to be able to find and settle with ‘enough’ of anything. Enough is boring. :)

          Getting one’s shit together:  If I could ever really become truly conscious of what my ‘shit’ actually is – then and only then could ‘I’ try to get it ‘together’. On the other hand… maybe it might not be a good idea to put ones ‘shit’ together after one might find what one’s shit actually is.  :)

          • Lyle

            and my take on the jealousy bit… why of course they’re / we’re someplace within them/us envious. Although we’d handle it better right! And you would likely get into trouble down at the pub. :)

            No endless money, power, mansions, hot babes, and Ferrari’s for me. No no! No way!  Decadent bastards!  :)

  • Lyle

    Doesn’t seem to be a part 5 at least that I can find. No matter.

    Having been born in 1949 and growing through the 50′s and 60′s – Cold War – Nam – Civil Rights and all – oy – this interview sure brings back memories of some terrifying times for a youngster.

    Quite interesting how many things appeared then and how they eventually came to be. Some on the mark – some not so much. Quite the passionate man and as he suggests – he wrote a few good lines.

    • axionication1

      No part 5 for me either. Interesting fellow (reminds me ( unsettlingly) of something or someone, unable to think of who or what.

  • Neal

    A 20th century Thoreau!  Thanks.

  • Lyle

    I’ve recently had occasional thinking that perhaps the most underlying problem in finding effective solutions for economic challenges lies within a notion that economic theories are actually a complex contrivance.

    Physicists, the Newton and Einsteins, et al, discover pre-existing universal laws. It seems to follow that our brains interpret as if ‘they’ actually made the laws as in typical language usage: Newton’s Law… Einstein’s law. With such commonly used espressions, at least I find that I forget these laws pre-existed.Economic theories don’t seem to have a foundation in “universal laws”. Perhaps they do vis a vie real life observations at some level which I am not aware nor understand. For that matter, the entire universe and everything in it seems an absolute absurdity to my little mind.

    What thinks ye? I’d enter it as a primary submition but this thing fights me a bit much just entering my Bugs Bunny to Rumi comments.

  • Lyle

    Actually I can’t even think how I might respond to such. Little doubt it could use clarification. Why in fact have all the great wazoos of economics failed to develop something effective after years of meetings and talk talk talk. In many ways you’ve expressed doubt or total denial of their ability achieve anything effective to which we all most agree. I suppose an answer would likely have to be nearly as complex as the problems. Maybe the problems and potential answers are one and the same. Maybe I’m thinking that there is a ‘real’ unseen economics that operates aside and unaffected by theoretical economic practices. This purposed ‘real’ economics simply doesn’t respond to ‘book learning’ manipulations. Sort of like as you’ve pointed out, China and other various countries have virtually infinite cheap labor and have come to make most of our stuff. All the high minded theory and monetary manipulations are highly unlikely to affect this stark reality. Simple – real – tough roe to hoe - deal with it.

    Maybe I just think too much. :)

    • Mcgarritymichaelp

      Economists are great wazoos. Denial is a handy life savior in a world of false gods. Lot’s of smart people were imprisoned or ridiculed because of the truth, Galileo once postulated the sun not the earth was the center of the universe. He was much like you in terms of spirit which I admire. 
       ”All the high minded theory and monetary manipulations are highly unlikely to affect this stark reality. Simple – real – tough roe to hoe - deal with it. ”
      Hoe the row. Plant the corn, wheat, soy, whatever. 
      You got the spirit it can hear. “Deal with it”
      Thank you!
          

  • Mcgarritymichaelp

    I am a True Believer, anything I am told I believe, for I have no self, it is all a construct of what others tell me for my self hatred is so that there is nothing I can hear but what others say about what and who I am and why I’m here, So I am in love with the destruction of all about me, a fanatic caught in the spell of destiny of others. Cast in a spell of suspension of disbelief  watching the movie of my life. For there is a god above all others but me, without someone telling me the truth I cannot discern it. For who am I to say? The voice of authority of what others tell me for I cannot say, what the truth is.
    Who am I to say?

    • axionication1

      I miss the age where I thought I would have all my shit together by the time I was the age I am now.

      Hah, it is all a funny business. What to do.

      • Mcgarritymichaelp

        Don’t worry about it, you are the age you are. If you think you got your shit together based on your view then just stand up and shout it out. Otherwise you don’t have your shit together. It is not about being right. It is about being here as a person. Do whatever you want and think is right, I may not agree with you, but will most ardently support you in your quest to have a say so. Rock on for whatever time you have. This is your life do with it what you want or not. 
        Your choice. I would much more have people about me who shout the truth as they see it no matter how fucked up I think it is than have them be dead for the rest of their life.
        The point is you have not missed an age of thought. Stand up, Be yourself, kick my ass or let me kick yours in the struggle for truth.
        I don’t have the answers, I don’t know the questions,  but there are a lot of needs in both realms about us and the more people can have some courage and step up to the plate the better world we may have per my view in terms of truth.
        Give it your all or not as you see fit.
        Peace!

        • axionication1

          Groan.

          • Lyle

            :)

            McG needs to get to know me better perhaps.  :)

            Don’t let my sometimes irritating, childish and irreverent hillbilly Bugs Bunny disguise delude.

            McG – I’m now 63 years old. I’ve been plowing through philosophies and esoterics since I was 14. Still am plowing. Poet, philosopher, seeker, author, and sayer of sooths. I’ve been so outspoken and damned serious it near killed me. “I was so much older then – I’m younger than that now.”It’s all entertainment and something to fill my time. Rule 62 – don’t take yourself too damned serious.
            The movie must go on – until the skinny lady burps.

      • Lyle

        Take care of business and smile a lot. Best I can figger.  :)

    • Lyle

      I had to sober up 29 years ago so I might stop writing shit like this.  :)

  • Mcgarritymichaelp

    Seriously? 

    • lgrinaker

      That’s not Mystic (Nick). It’s a bizarre case of a disgruntled poster, Stevo, who was earlier banned from the site for being especially rude and disruptive. I’ve never come across a virtual stalker, but it seems Stevo has become one. He’s posing as TheModernMystic/Modern Mystic, among other names.

      Just note that Nick’s handle as Mystic is always highlighted with a link to all the posts he’s authored. It also has a star beside it denoting him as the site administrator.

      Linda

      • Lyle

        Thanks Linda. I liked ole Stevo even though he and Nick had rounds. Stevo was quite entertaining.
        I suspicion there was more going on in the ‘background’ so to speak, than most of us were privy.

        • lgrinaker

          Yeah, I think for the most part, it was fine.  But it did take a couple of nasty downturns, which made for the couple of times Nick banned him, and I think the final one just stayed permanent.  But you’re right, that was just the explicit stuff happening on here.  Who knows if other things came about in the “background”?

          What’s odd to me is that that was quite some time ago (the latest “ban”), so I was very surprised to see him emerging in this way, and thought, no, that couldn’t be Stevo.  (He showed up by name once in the past couple of weeks, which makes clear that Stevo is indeed lurking, such that Nick’s sense that it was him doing the “stalking” is pretty likely.)

          I just figured Stevo’s a bright guy and simply would have moved on, would have maybe even created his own site.  I had no idea he took the “ending of the relationship” so hard.  But what can you say?  People are varied in their responses, ;-).

          Linda

  • lgrinaker

    That’s not Mystic (Nick). It’s a bizarre case of a disgruntled poster, Stevo, who was earlier banned from the site for being especially rude and disruptive. I’ve never come across of virtual stalker, but it seems Stevo has become one. He’s posing as TheModernMystic, among other names.

    Just note that Nick’s handle as Mystic is always highlighted with a link to all the posts he’s authored. It also has a star beside it denoting him as the site administrator.