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  • Anonymous

    Sort of ironic that tv shows are called programs.
    To surrender ones mind for those few hours of ‘relaxation’. Sure to be many that will want to fuck with it whilst it’s not yours.

  • therealrealist

    Beatiful video Nick. Being 19 I suppose I should take the advice of my elders and join in the conversation more.

    I appreciate what you do here very much.

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Thanks TR,
      Yes, you are welcome to join in here….but, joining in anywhere is the thing.
      If you can’t find anything you want to join in with – Make something that you and other people can join in with.
      Hello.

  • emmazedbend

    I like your ‘philosophical’ videos; I think you’ve nailed the issue. Apparently we go into an ‘Alpha’ brain wave state when we view TV which is akin to a hypnotic state – not good if your’e viewing lots of adverts. It’s also amazing how much time we have on our hands that we can watch so much TV and yet everyone I know is always saying how busy they are.
    I find the TV a great baby sitter for my Mum who has dementia it does keep her happy for hours, I’m not sure what will happen if it goes away, I thought we would have had the collapse of industrial civilisation by now but the box still flickers in the corner. 
    I think we will be better of without it, it does seem to have the capacity to capture you and suck great blocks of time from ones life if you don’t actively put a break on it.

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      I wouldn’t like to say for sure (obviously, because I don’t know), but I would imagine that your mum would be `happy enough` watching the cars go by. 
      Dementia has been around since before TV…..and I can see stone-age dementiated people watching the birds, or rivers flowing by `quite happily`. 
      But yes, have telly, may as well watch telly.

      For us though it is a `doing`, or not doing` thing.
      Bottom line – doing is better for self……self…….self lotsa things~!

      (like deleting spam members……Good work, thanks~!)

      • emmazedbend

        Actually she does like to watch the pigeons on our neighbours roof too!
        As for me I am learning latin and do embroidery and painting while TV is on, I am so engrossed in these that I hardly know what’s been on.
        As for spam I’ve got the stage where I can almost tell who is going to be a spammer before they’ve spammed!

        • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

          I know someone who started learning latin at the age of 80, because she wanted to read Virgil (I think it was) in the original.
          She died before she got there, but…..eh~!?

          You could start your own agency – `Spam Spotters`…….(maybe not~?)

          • emmazedbend

            Spam spotters – yes – I enjoy the hunt.

  • Ivo

    Into all mass mind control thingies out there (whether it be religion or TV) there is also a good side.
    Sometimes in a hypnotic state people dont all wake up to the idea that everything can be doomie.
    Most dont want to realize everything can come to an end one day. They are sticking theire heads willingly in the sand.
    It is a good thing because it keeps the worlds ecomomies going at this point.

  • FEDERICO

    Hi Nick, you said “i come from a place where we do not watch TV”  What do you mean actually with that?

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Sorry, me not clear there – Simply that, we don’t, in this family, watch television. 

      • FEDERICO

        ah ah ok, got it. i was thinking that you where raised with the notion of not watching TV (which could have been a right choiche). Personally i watch tv sometimes just to understand the level of bullshit they try to feed to the people. I notice anyways that the folk is getting smarter and smarter and is not manipulated via mass media as before. I guess thanks to the spreading of the net.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    I tried to teach my sons the “art” or “philosophy” of inventing, and the first thing I had to get through to them was the innate fear we have for being criticized by our peers. We’d rather do nothing than risk exposing our ignorance. Thus we never learn, and “conventional wisdom” goes unchallenged for centuries. I learned the reactionary power of institutionalized convenional wisdom when advancing my bandsaw inventions and found that people protect their beliefs more adamantly than their gold. People have so much intellectual capital invested in their opinions they wouldn’t dare replicate a “model economy”, for instance, (for fear they didn’t truly understand the ones in existence already – conventional capitalism?) and be criticized for building a “bad model”. The essential feedback loop of creation/criticism is what produces “better models” however and we’re at a time in history when better economc models are imperative to the survival of modern civilization. The primary reason for turning off one’s TV  is therefore to avoid the intellectual corruption of traditional economic thinking as espoused by “recognized experts” and start experimenting with new, un-tried models (many of which will sound ridiculous at the outset) and putting them out for viewing and critique. Only fools, ignorant of “conventional wisdom”, will invent the solutions we now seek. I hope this inspires at least one “fool” to give it a try and possibly invent, by accident, a model that works despite all criticism. It’s easy for philosophers with no credentials to protect, but it takes balls for a recognized authority to proclaim he’s been wrong all along. They don’t do it on TV but they do it here on the web. Hooray! 

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Some good writing there~!  (although it could have been broken up a bit)

      I give you this in return – http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/11/blue-sky-money-one.html
      (no worries if you don’t get into it~!)

      Last thing.  Maybe we can note that psychopaths (not known for what people think of them) often rise to get hold of the levers of power.

      Hello.

      • Anonymous

        It might be interesting to open the Pandora’s Box of psychopathy some day, Mystic. If you feel, as I do, that a certain amount of psychopathy is necessary to invent, market, and lead society; then what is the ideal *level* of
        psychopathy required to achieve greatness. As always, I suppose it’s the balance that matters most and that would be impossble to meter, wouldn’t it – something only history could decide. Are psychopaths the intellectual equivalent of mutants in the evolutionary progress of civilization?

         I often think that I, myself, am a psychopath for not having any empathy whatever for *stockholders* whom I see as less than human and deserving of nothing. If I was King I would only grant corporate charters to public collectives on the condtion they don’t constitute a monopoly, commit no usury, cause no harm, pay a modest benefit to stockholders, and return excess proceeds to the General Fund through progressive taxation. I, King Bill, would personally write each charter to reflect these principles and severly punish any corporate manager for violation of a corporate charter irrespective of any other law. King Bill would be known as cruel but fair. 

        I call it Psychocracy. It works for me.

  • Fillo20002000

    People are watching TV because they need rest from their own minds, you can utilize your mind on solving logical problem  but mostly mind processing time is occupied with Ego processes. So when people are watching TV mind is idling, they are not tortured by ego. 
    You’ve heard when pople says ‘he killed him self because he couldn’t lived with himself’ :).
    Watching TV could have saved his life :)))

  • Windcutter

    Ah, this is a HUGE topic, but maybe not so difficult to understand?

    The underlying question is surely “why do people do what they do?”

    And possibly the answer is that, like water flowing down a slope, they will take the path of least resistance.

    It is easier to sit in front of the TV lapping up the soaps than to arrange flowers. For a considerable percentage of the population the soaps even become the focal point of their lives, miss an episode, and oh no! Nothing new to talk to the neighbours about.

    It is easier to go to a pub, drink beer and come back pissed than arrange flowers.

    It is easier to smoke dope and fade away into a haze than arrange flowers.

    It is easier to have a smoke in front of the coffee machine than actually work, or arrange flowers.

    I would guess that on the death bed few would wish they had arranged more flowers, or spent another day in the office, but they would wish that they could watch the next episode of the soap opera, or go and get pissed with the mates, or have another cigarette.

    Maybe these guys have already sensed (subconsciously or otherwise) the futility of our existence and resigned themselves to it?

    As an exception to the rule I suppose there are people who make the effort to contribute to these blogs, or have “big fucking plans” for us, but I sadly suspect that the majority of humans would be very happy to passively absorb TV, music, alcohol and drugs without any great ambitions.

    Flower arranging is simply too much work.

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Good shot.

      I note an important flip-flop in the paragraph about `them` on their death-beds.
      I think the way you put it is right, as in – thinking of only what they are going to miss; but would you say that `they` would also wish that they had watched more soaps and got even more wasted~? 

  • Guest

    What a load of f**king nonsense – excuse my French (I’ve been ‘aving lessons).

    Without doubt, there’s a very real snobbery amongst the econarati, truth seekers (conspiracy nutters) and the PM bugs about popular culture. And it seems to manifest itself as anger towards the “sheeple” who “just don’t get it” – who spend (or waste) their time watching X Factor or whatever’s popular on TV this week. Dress it up in whatever logical arguments you like, but if you dig around enough, what seems to be at the core is a resentment that the “sheeple” aren’t taking matters of economics and politics serious enough. And those who are, the minority (many of which are just as stupid anyway), resent being the outsiders and they’re just waiting for that day they can wag their fingers and say “I told you so! I told you what was coming! I told you to prepare and you wouldn’t listen – you were too busy watching television you f**king mugs!”. Get a bunch of these people together and the resentment just grows.

    Last week, I watched an hour of Charlie Rose on Bloomberg – he was interviewing Mark Zuckerberg. Fascinating stuff and learned some interesting things, but then I have an interest in building online businesses. I probably watched more than an hour of Mystic last week. What’s the difference? Why is one more acceptable than the other amongst these snobs? (I could make a good case that Mystics videos whilst interesting, don’t directly help me any constructive way). I also watched a few movies and didn’t learn a thing. The AC Milan vs Barcelona match was entertaining. 

    At a certain level, flower arranging, model making, watching TV, combing your hair etc. are all pointless tasks. They aren’t going to change the world and we’re all going to die one day – just like every other idiot who ever existed. Like it or not, all our lives are pointless and without meaning. I say do what makes you happy and stick two fingers up at those who snigger – and certainly don’t stop watching TV if you enjoy it just because some other folks out there think you should be doing something they think is productive – that’s just the same trap in reverse. 

    Personally, I don’t spend a lot of time watching television – I just don’t have the attention span and find it hard to switch off and not do anything for long periods of time. I’d rather be doing something.

    What Mystic said about doing things and not being afraid of what other people think is very true. Or is it? Maybe I just agree with it – “truth” being a very subjective thing. I’m not building models or arranging flowers – I’m building a house – doing the plumbing and plastering and all those jobs I haven’t got a bloody clue about and I’m making it all up as I go along. I really couldn’t care less what other people think of it – the only person I have to satisfy is myself. I apply the same attitude to my work – I don’t care what I am or am not qualified to do – I know most “experts” really are just idiots and I have no embarrassment about trying new things. But none of this has anything at all to do with television and trying to associate people who watch television with low self-esteem is just ridiculous. 

    And on that note, I’m going out to watch the new Twilight movie and anyone with a smart-ass comment to make can kiss my f**king arse you losers! :-P

    • snedmeister1

      Phew, I thought I was on my own here…!!

      Although I don’t watch much TV, I do watch some…. ( “Grand designs” programs, especially )….
      I like those discovery channels, and yes, I am also partial to a good movie…!!!

      There is an air of snobbery, I agree, but I would say that generally, I watch films or nature programs etc, so
      that I can wind down and take a break from thinking….

      That may sound strange to some, but if I don’t just wind down, I end up thinking for hours and hours, planning my
      life, my day tomorrow, thinking economics etc etc, thinking about my job etc etc…

      A healthy balance is probably key. Getting out with friends, learning new things, trying new ideas, and yes….
      Relaxing in front of the TV or taking the misses to the cinema, and popping in the pub after if the mood takes you…:)

      Enjoy the film Richard, but don’t eat too much popcorn… You have a challenge to complete…..!!!!   :) :)

      • Guest

        Thanks! 

        Indeed. Some folks have jobs that don’t require much thinking – but for those of us who do and those who just spend a lot of our spare time thinking, switching off feels good sometimes – especially if like me you take your work with you everywhere you go (home, office, vacation etc.) Some poor folks have really crap jobs (and crap lives in general) and rather than winding down, TV is an escape from the drudgery of their daily lives. Whilst I would wholeheartedly encourage folks to find something to do that makes them happy and ignore what other people think, I think it’s ridiculous to tell them they can’t watch TV if that’s what makes them happy.

      • Anonymous

        I definitely like the notion of balance, and I think you put it really well, Sned.  Right now, for me, I can feel myself as “off balance” in a way that doesn’t feel very good personally because I haven’t been *doing* much lately, and it feels good at this time to become galvanized into some action along the lines of things that I am looking forward to.  I can imagine Richard up there, however, is quite comfortable with his sense of *doing*, and, as such, doesn’t struggle at all right now with over-doing the not-doing stuff (or something like that, ;-)).

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      I certainly would not recommend watching Mystic videos~!

  • Anonymous

    At the end of my life, I certainly don’t want it said that I didn’t put out, ;-).

    Seriously, though, I liked this video a lot; just what I needed today.  I’ve been hesitating about getting out on a bit of a drizzly day to take my daily walk.  I’m feeling much more up for doing so now…  I need to get in better shape physically so that I can participate in a dream I’ve had for a while, but as a city kid mostly thought I’d just read about, something I’ve mentioned before to you, Nick… learning to work with horses (there’s a very, very good horse handler not too far from me, and I think I’m finally going to take the plunge).   

    To prepare, I’m just now beginning to set my sites on a half marathon a year from now.  In July, there’s a group that gets together and trains for 6 months in preparation for the main city marathon (and half marathon) held every January.  I figure that until then, I’ll get in daily walks at one of my favorite places in the world, a city park nearby.

    It’s all still a bit daunting in my mind (and quite beyond my usual habits, both something like training for a half marathon and then, going for a dream such as learning to work with horses), but then, that’s part of what makes it something that yes, at the end of my life, I think I’ll look back and be glad that I actually *did*. 

    So, yep, a good video for me to see today.  Thanks, Nick!

    Linda 

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Don’t overdo it Linda…..
      Balance, remember~!

      • Anonymous

        As I mentioned below, the drizzle has turned into a hard rain, and so, I’m going have to put aside my walking shoes for today – not bad timing for that, right after conversing a bit about balance, ;-).  Yep, I’ll need to keep that in mind over the next while too…

        Have a good one, everybody…

        Linda

  • http://cassandraclub.wordpress.com/ Hans Verbeek

    I like your ‘giving-concept’. Giving, contributing, arranging and building gives more satisfaction. Not just on your deathbed, but everytime you go to bed and ponder your day.
    I like to think that I am alive to lower the entropy on the planet (or in the universe): that is my purpose, my goal.I eat my food and use the solar energy in the food to put things in a higher order, to prevent chaos, to add and share knowledge or insight.Just watching TV doesn’t lower the entropy. Watching TV to learn can be useful. Even sharing with others what you learned from TV can be useful.Not all TV is junk. Just like not all printed matter is advertising.I really enjoy BBC-documentaries like Apeman (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL04A35F3A19261075) and the Incredible Human Journey (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/incredible-human-journey/). 

  • http://www.outoftheboxinsight.org Outoftheboxinsight

    The meek will inherit the earth:)

  • http://www.regional-communities.com Tom Christoffel

    What is TV? It is a technology that allows the broadcast and receipt of images and sound over the airwaves or via wired connections. 

    Prior to its invention and later dispersion into society as a medium for sending communications, humanity had developed the transmission of audio through the airwaves with radio. Photography, a chemical process for recording images, had been developed and the film medium used here became the basis for recordation and projection. These mediums were used for news, entertainment, advertising and conscious or unconsicious education, first as movies that worked well in existing theaters, an ancient setting and method for social communication. 

    TV broadcasts of events and movies and programs designed for the medium grew in popularity. Mass markets enabled the production of high quality programs, which like movies before them, and books, had to navigate through the legal framework of social censorship. Marshall McLuhan was a leading thinker about how communications media affected individuals and society. He’s famous for the thought: “The medium is the message.” The root methods and options for message communication between humans has not changed. New technologies are mediums which themselves have a message.

    TV is a medium that can be used with an intent for good or ill, and whatever that intent, it may be received by others as the opposite, or with no intent at all. Humans apparently having more visual processing capability in our brains due to the evolutionary needs, are inclined to like the presentation of information in images, though even that requires obtaining a visual literacy.

    We have all become very visually adept at understanding stories being told visually. The montage, a series of quick images, sets up a story or advances it because we know it sets up a story line and engage in decoding it. Watching older movies is often boring because the story moves so slowly. If there is engaging dialogue, such as has always been the requirement for theater, the movie may remain engaging under today’s standards. 

    Good television is costly to produce. Markets have been fragmented, so with the advertising model, it is hard to get enough sponsors to pay enough for that quality. In the U.S. there are more and more ads in any given period. Ads have to be entertaining and are often better than the programs because more money is spent.

    Is there some virtue to not watching TV? Probably, but if you want to know about the weather you might want to have a working TV in the house. Since many households have few people, it is a companion for many. Some people used to run the radio all the time, now its the TV.

    TV is there. Is it of any use in your life? Will it keep others busy and out of your way?

    Nick – thanks to the PC technology, you are a minicaster – a web video content producer. Some one could run your productions on their wide-screen digital TV. I don’t think it would negate the value of your content due to that medium.

    TV and TV advertising is important and its not a one-way medium to the extent it was in the past. Glenn Beck went off the air because advertisers became unwilling to put ads on his show because of customer complaints.

    Is TV a source an individual wants to have as part of their information and entertainment sources in the world? Not all of it is accurate or true. Most people know that. We may want things to be true and suspend disbelief. That can be dangerous. As media consumers we can be discriminating or not.

    Global sporting events like World Cup football or the American SuperBowl are world community events. I don’t think YouTube or Vimeo will replace that, nor should they.

    When I studied mass communications in the late 1960’s, it was very difficult to make a movie. Sound recording and synchronization was costly on site and very complicated in editing.

    The promise of film/TV for the masses would not be fulfilled said my professor, until it was as cheap as pen and paper. The line is attributed to Jean Cocteau: “Film will only become an art when its materials are as inexpensive as pencil and paper.” He died in 1963.

    Technology has achieved this by getting rid of the film.

    We are screen oriented beings, for that is what our civilization has created and that is what we’ve learned. Is it satisfying for everyone? Of course not. Want to learn things, check for a video. Flower arranging? Here’s one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP4KxKEJFyE 

    I will say, having visited the EU a few times, TV fare is quite limited by comparison to the U.S. For some useful free video go to http://www.c-spanvideo.org/videoLibrary/ This is public affairs TV funded by the cable TV industry. 

    • Anonymous

      (lots of chuckling)  That was brilliant, Tom – highlighting a video on flower arranging…

      And thanks for your overall input in this post; interesting. 

      Linda

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Now it is so cheap and easy…..do you make many movies now~?

      • http://www.regional-communities.com Tom Christoffel

        Just for personal use. I became interested in city planning and thought that would be a good topic. Having been a regional planner since 1973, it wasn’t until the 1988 that I got to use a video camera. There was no particular way to get to the documentary market. I was, however, as a regional planner, in the business of communications. Effective communication is when the message sent is received, as intended, by the recipient, and the response is within the range of that expected. You Nick, are a very good communicator. So good that you had to leave YouTube to get to a more free environment for your soap box. Thank you for that. 

        • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

          Strange it is. 
          I have spent my life avoiding communicating with people.
          I would always prefer `some quiet place` to read a book.
          (and it may also be interesting to note, that I don’t really have anything to say (as in agenda to push)).

          • http://twitter.com/tomchristoffel Tom Christoffel

            Nick – 

            It is your lack of agenda that makes you objective as you scan the “economic news” and provide wry observations. I’ve done a newsletter for my topic – regional communities – since 2003. It is quite a bit of work to scan the world for news. Thus I know you are doing a lot of preparation before you broadcast. You might read ten items for everyone one you show us. The presentation format is very good. What it all means, well – that’s what we are all trying to figure out. The leadership – economic, financial, political, military – has gotten it all wrong and the people suffer. The suffering is greater because we believed that, on the whole, they knew what they were doing. The math appeared to work except for the truth that exponential growth is a limited phenomenon and compound interest is only sustainable at a low rate for long periods. 
             
            I just finished “Extreme Money: Masters of the Universe and the Cult of Risk” by Satyajit Das. His account of the financial crisis is tedious. It’s not the writing style. It is full of entertaining quips which say in various ways we humans are stupid for letting this happen again. Its just that the events, people and organizations that took us to the 2008 financial crisis and the lack of solutions for it.
             
            The thing we all want to know is how does it get corrected? One late paragraph in the book sets it out:
             
            “There is no simple, painless solution. The world has to reduce debt, shrink the financial part of the economy, and change the destructive incentive structures in finance. Individuals in developed countries have to save more and spend less. Companies have to go back to real engineering. Governments have to balance their books better. Banking must become a mechanism for matching savers and borrowers, financing real things. Banks cannot be larger than nations, countries in themselves. Countries cannot rely on debt and speculation for prosperity. The world must live within its means.”
             
            Everything in the “Extreme Money” book sets out how the various powers created the mess and are big barriers to doing this, the right things.

            Our leadership – economic, corporate, financial, political, military – in virtually all countries (exceptions are ?) – have gotten it all wrong and the people suffer. The suffering is greater now because we believed that, on the whole, they knew what they were doing. 

            The math appeared to work except for the truth that exponential growth is a limited phenomenon and compound interest is only sustainable at a low rate for long periods. Industry is not agriculture. No natural extra yield provided by cultivated lands in favorable years. Debt must be managed carefully the history of humanity shows. Optimism leads to magical thinking about money.

            Did TV play a role in this situation? Well, problems were always solved in 30 minutes or sixty minutes, however long the program slot. Were world events accurately analysed and presented in the news? Was the communication useful in understanding things above the paygrade of citizen?

            Via the internet some knowledge is made available so we can second guess the experts. They have answers for everything, but are the answers correct?

            One final thought here and that is based on my wide reading on peak oil, environmental problems like water quality protection and preparation for climate change. That is, that all the solutions to today’s problems are in the past. They are actions that should have been taken, done differently or not done at all. 

            The planet has no reset button. The evolutionary process goes on. At least we have this medium to communicate and help develop our thinking. Some day it may go dark because of the light it carries.

            Cheers.

  • therealrealist

    I suppose another benefit of TV is the illusion of group acceptance/connection. As you said with the water cooler example I suppose I could relate. Having been living out of my parents home for over a year now I find it so odd that whenever I visit they insist on putting a program on the TV, instead of having some sort of conversation about things around the dinner table. Reminds me of growing up and we used to have “family TV nights”. Now it seems somewhat harder to connect with them than it once was when I did watch these TV shows. Looking back now I’d say I wish I spent more of my younger years doing things with my family than simply viewing things.

    Not to be all doom and depressed, we did do a lot of things together, but certainly a lot more could have been gained that wasn’t an episode of Survivor every Thursday night.

  • mike

    I don’t watch television per se, but I have a set of TV shows I download and watch on a weekly basis. I love the stories, the humor, the character development, and the action. I see it a lot like listening to a recital of Homeric poems in ancient Greece, or reading a fiction novel or watching a play. I don’t think it’s necessarily passive. I’m constantly guessing what will happen next, how certain characters will react, etc. I think it’s a way of allowing your brain to simulate various situations and circumstances without physically being there. And it’s also very entertaining.

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      There is obviously `active` watching and `passive` watching~!?

  • Lyle

    So I’m watching the 25th Annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame concert on the Palladia channel while reading all these writings. Being a very long time music lover and one who has built over 150 high performance sound systems in my life ( there’s thunder and lighting in the house upon demand :)

    Charlie Rose on PBS – a must for me. Science Channel too. My primary beef is having to pay for 150 channels of shit to get the 3 to 5 channels I watch.

    There’s mindless shit everywhere – books, MSM, internet, etc. Perhaps it’s a matter of what Trance States one finds most entertaining or interesting at any time frame or persistently over time.

    Some think – some do. Some think AND do – for themselves and others. Those are my favorites. :)

    Thanks Nick and all here.

    • Lyle

      and to all you EU folks… thanks for producing some of the greatest musicians and bands that have ever been – and perhaps will ever be.

  • Anonymous

    I am not sure, but I think many have misunderstood the Mystic video on ‘Television watching’.
    I interpreted the message in the video as ‘don’t waste your life watching mindless television programmes(like many do)’. People quite legitimately ask why not?
    For me, the answer to that question is that, such an (in)activity is not satisifing to the ‘human psyche(for want of a better phrase)’.

    I disagree that the ‘don’t watch mindless television’ camp have an elitist  agenda, its just some good advice. I guess if you want to watch 6 hours of TV then you are free to do so, just don’t complain about the size of your mortgage!

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      It was a marvelous video…..with so many ways it could be understood.
      But yes, perhaps the main `take` from it was, as you say – `You can do your own self image more good by `doing` something else`.

      Hello Axel.

      • Anonymous

        I liked the video. I thought it had some sound advice which was in step with reality.
        I was kind of surprised at the amount of intelligent people who thought it was elitist or preachy.

         

        • snedmeister1

          Hello Axel..

          There is some good advise to be had, I agree. This is obviously a touchy subject…!!

          I don’t think Nick was being elitist, preachy, or anything else other than observant really, ( apologies Nick, if you feel 
          otherwise ) but having said that,
          Richard raised a valid point, that there is an element of society that has an impression that if they somehow stop
          watching TV, this is the pass or holy path to being intelligent enough and giving them a moral highground to discuss certain 
          topics with an unjustified authority…..

          Obviously, they are mistaken….

          I would say though, that I stand by my comment that balance is the key…. I would also say, that it is quite likely
          that the regret I may have on my deathbed, is that I worked too hard, did too much, and didn’t relax enough…!! :)

          ( although I doubt very much I would wish I watched more TV )

          I find it interesting that the same level of judgement by some is not given towards listening to music etc…

          Great comment section though, wouldn’t you agree…!!??

          • Anonymous

            Hi

            Yes, some excellent comments.Its good that people write what they really think, instead of just what ‘society’ wants to hear.

            I don’t really see why not watching TV will give people any grounds for a ‘greater moral authority'(whatever that is), or anything else. In fact in the early days of TV I believe it was extremely posh to own a ‘Television receiver’.

            In reality the majority of people on their deathbed are too far gone to regret anything, so I’m not a big fan of the ‘deathbed’ metaphor.. but hey, I’m cool with people using it because I know what they mean by it. I try not to sweat the small stuff!

            I do own a television but we put some thought into our viewing… sometimes the TV will not be used all week.

            Humans like to think they are smarter or more cultured or better in some way that other humans. I don’t reall have a problem with that because a human who thinks he is less that his fellow man is suffering.. and that is not good.

            “Forgive them. for they know not what they do.”

            • snedmeister1

              You are correct, not watching TV shouldn’t give anybody a sense of superiority…

              Yet to some, it does….

              Did you notice that Nick started the video, specifying that he wasn’t doing that..??

              Why do you think he felt the need to tell us that bit..??

              Was he conscious of the fact that elements of society look down their noses at TV watchers..??

              • Anonymous

                Well, at some point in our development we begin to realise that no one is superior to another. To put it another way people like to think they are superior and they will strive to show they are superior by their efforts, but in a few years everybody is equal. The thing is, their ‘superiority’ is only paper thin, any day it could vanish.
                Yes, its true that some people are more intelligent than others, but that intelligence is so fragile, to give it ‘superiority’ weight would be foolish.

                For the ‘run of the mill’ human it is necessary for them to feel that they are superior in some way. It could be an evolutionary thing, I’m not sure.
                On the other hand the ‘superiority’ thing can get out of control resulting in millions of dead people.

                Reality is not easy… but we try to arrive somewhere decent.

                (good evening Sned) (lifts hat about 4 inches of head and gestures forward)

        • Guest

          Well, I can’t help but think this whole discussion is party motivated by Mystic not wanting me to place a big flat screen TV above my new fireplace, so I had to kick back a little and it was all good natured anyway.

          There’s definitely a generational aspect to this. Back in the olden days I’m sure it was easier to dismiss TV when you only had 3 channels to choose from. Today, I can stick a dish on my wall and pick up hundreds of channels and with the powers of modern technology like Sky+ and Tivo I don’t even need to bother looking for things to watch – the box knows what I likes and records programs for me to watch when it’s convenient for me (I’ve got several episodes of Techstars and Game Changers recorded from Bloomberg to watch). I don’t have to sit through hours of crap waiting for something good to come on – there’s always something available whenever I have a bit of free time. But it’s not just free time when I might have the TV on – my generation is probably the first multitasking generation – I can write code, answer emails, converse with a colleague and keep one ear on the rolling news all at the same time. 

          • snedmeister1

            Misses Sned is always keen to remind me, that only a real Woman can multi-task Richard…!!!

            :) LOL….

            ( Good evening )

          • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

            Women being able to multi-task has been thoroughly debunked……
            And if women can’t do it, men sure as hell can’t~!

          • Anonymous

            I’m not sure its possible for humans to multitask. As you probably know the single core CPU’s were not true multitaskers, they had to do a context switch between processes. I think the human brain works in a similar way(but I could be wrong as its hard to find solid info about how the human brain works).

            P.S… Don’t put your new TV above the fireplace it will get all sooty.

    • Guest

      Ooops – I clicked “like” instead of “reply” by mistake.

      Anyways… it wouldn’t matter if I spent 24 hours a day watching TV – it wouldn’t affect the size of my mortgage. 

      • Anonymous

        “I clicked “like” instead of “reply” by mistake”. Yeah, at some unconscious level you agreed with the comment! Only kidding…

        Maybe 24 hour TV watching would not affect the size of your mortgage (presumably you don’t have one) but I would it would be detrimental to your life in other ways…

  • http://www.outoftheboxinsight.org Outoftheboxinsight
    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      He is a funny little fellow.
      Hello T.

  • CSArichardo

    Watching a football game with 10 other guys on the television is as close to community as you can get !! 

    You make TV sound too much like it’s the “TV and me” just the two of you.  In that case reading a book is pretty close to the same as watching TV.  Sounds like you might have discovered that !

    Thanks again for the video ! 

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Hope is a great thing for a human being.
      Maybe it isn’t hope.
      I don’t know what it is……but, I am still looking out for the day when you understand something I said. 
      Dreaming.
      Yes, that’s it…..dreaming.

      Thanks again for trying~!

      • CSArichardo

        OK so the point is “Actually getting out there and doing something” as opposed to watching TV ?  
         
        I find it hard to believe that learning to play guitar, doing a flower arrangment, reading a book can be considered getting out there, if you do this by yourself.  I think taking an instructional class might be considered more of a community activity.  However playing a song at your local pub for the neighbours or helping someone put together a flower arrangment for the office might be considered an even higher level of community activity. 

         

         
         
         

        • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

          Oh, for heaven’s sake…..Stop bothering about such petty nonsense~!
          Just let things flow.
          Treat the whole world like clouds scudding by.
          They don’t need explanation….They don’t need that little voice in your head to rabbit on abut them.
          Just cool down and be~! 

  • Jantje

    Maybe the TV is hypnotising the people that are watching, and then people will go back to watching the screen. Especially when they see it is dark and cold outside and everybody else is watching the TV as well.
    Maybe addiction is caused by the welfare society. The people get a lot of free things, so they think why even bother asking someone to help, of why bother trying to invent of fixing things themselves. In societies without the socialistic things like unemployment benefits, people do not have time to watch television and will start interacting. If those kind of socialistic things disappear slowly because of economics, then maybe the people will become active again.
    It is better to listen to the radio or read a book, or make things yourselve because the mind has to do thinking, the imagination is triggered. With tv one has sound and visuals, and so the brain does not have to do anything creative. With reading you do not have the pictures, so you have to make up the pictures in your mind yourselve.
    It is indeed not so easy to do many things that are new. I am a layman in a certain area and went to a technical course that was completely out of my field. So the other ones thought that I was a problem, they were giving negative comments and said that i probably was the biggest moron on the world. (They were doing that same job for 20-30 years, and did not even want to be on the course, but they were legally obliged to do the course every year).
    It can be rewarding also. In the past i made my own cabaret on occasions in front of a large amount of people. Not always a success, but at least i put some new ideas and stories into the public, and they still remind me years later how funny it was. Indeed makes me somewhat proud of that.

    • snedmeister1

      Evening Jante.

      “It is better to listen to the radio or read a book, or make things yourselve because the mind has to do thinking”…

      Surely that depends on what you chooe to watch or read or listen to…??

      Have you never got to the end of a page in a book, only to realise you haven’t really taken it in…?? 

  • Garryentropy

    As a lad I
    loved to watch TV and I always wanted a job watching telly, my wish came true
    and I spent 5 years watching TV for a living at Britain’s biggest video
    duplicating house. That cured me of the TV habit as I felt I was being hard
    done by watching TV and not getting paid for it. There are doers and viewers,
    at a music concert I hate to stand in the crowd, I would rather be behind the
    scenes helping to produce the show in some way. It seems that the majority of
    folk like to be hypnotized for a few hours everyday, it used to be the flames
    of the fire and today it’s I’m a celebrity get me out of here. It doesn’t matter
    but if I was reviewing my life on the death bed, never having missed an episode
    of Coronation Street would be quite a sad achievement.

    • http://overthepeak.com/wordpress/ Mystic

      Coronation Street has not been the same since Mini Caldwell’s cat died.

      Yes, I to get a bit itchy when on the receiving side.

      I note that this week Lidl has a Japanese saw for sale. 

      I worked in a Walls icecream factory for long enough to have gone off icecream (I am better now though).